Go Baby Go: Independence Through Mobility, with Dr. Cole Galloway | EDB 288
Go Baby Go founder and Univ of Delaware professor Dr. Cole Galloway discusses his work helping children with mobility challenges.
Dr. James Cole Galloway is a Professor of Physical Therapy at the University of Delaware. He is also the Founder of the Go Baby Go program, which helps children and adults with physical and developmental disabilities move and explore the world. Go Baby Go’s most popular project – ride-on cars – provides parents, clinicians, students and community volunteers with know-how to adapt ordinary toy cars into therapeutic vehicles for children with physical limitations. Cole also launched the Go Baby Go Cafe, a functioning business where traumatic brain injury survivors work and physical, cognitive, social and speech impairments are simultaneously addressed.
To contact Cole: jacgallo@udel.edu
For information about several existing Go Baby go programs: https://sites.udel.edu/gobabygo/contact/
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DR HACKIE REITMAN (HR):
Welcome to another episode of Exploring Different Brains. I’m Dr. Hackie Reitman. Today we’re speaking with Dr. Cole Galloway, this guy is interesting, I can’t wait to speak to you Cole. Cole is a professor of physical therapy at the University of Delaware. And he’s the founder of Go Baby Go, which is going to tell us about coal. Welcome to the show.
DR COLE GALLOWAY (CG):
Hey, thanks for having me. It’s really exciting to join different brains, and to talk about mobility and human rights and cracking the infrastructure for for the disability community. So I really appreciate it.
HR:
Well, you’re doing all of the above, and we love it now. Why don’t you tell us what Go Baby Go is and what led you to create it?
CG:
Yeah, and, you know, maybe in your life, you’ve seen how like, when the legend becomes fact they print the print the legend and out there is this, this superhero story about an academic guy myself, that became enlightened and jumped off of the typical academic disconnected ivory tower, and now serves kids and adults with severe mobility issues. And it was all my, my doing. And that couldn’t be further from the truth. I was a although I had it in me to be a justice warrior and the community organizer. This is not the way this this movie didn’t start. The first act was not me having an epiphany, this was me creating a small robot with some collaborators that babies could drive with a joystick purely for scientific means, and was able to show that kids neurotypical kids that drove these robots would have the bump in cognition that you would see with kids that were crawling and walking. So these were kids that were younger than crawling. And just by driving around a couple of minutes, three times a week, they had a bump in their development. That was great. The the university community, loved it, Discovery Channel came CNN, I was I was a media darling. And I would go off to conferences, and there was this little rat pack of people that would hang around afterwards called families. The scientists were like, okay, engineers are like, okay, that’s more of the same. And they would go, this is really great. I have a three or four year old, that can’t move, this really seems to be something that could be affordable. And, and I went Thank you very much, and basically left these settings with no intention of changing that was just not the culture. In fact, my mentors at the time, were like, you’re doing exactly the right thing, deflect these families, and continue on. So literally, my future is, is sitting right there in front of me. So I go back. This was in the early 2000s. And I would go back back to when we had phone messages on phones. And I would click you know, click the phone method Monday morning, and I would have moms and dads all over the country. Some of them crying like this is so great. When are you going to commercialize, when are you going to do something? Let’s fast forward. David Glansman is a junior high school comes to my lab one summer, a couple of maybe a year later. And I’m like, David, I’ve got to get these families off my back. Is there any way — I knew that the magic here was not the robot? It was the fact that they were independently mobile. And so we came together. Why don’t we just take it off the shelf, plastic Jeep from Fisher Price, and we’ll hack it with pool noodles and PVC pipes and stuff that anybody can do it. We can publish the hardware list, and I can get on with my frickin life as a big deal scientist. So the first mistake I made thank goodness was I got on this thing called social media that’s like 2005ish/6ish. Did not know what Facebook was was Instagram wasn’t around Snapchat was not a thing. TikTok was not even a glimmer in the organizers eyes of TikTok. And I put it on Facebook thinking I’ll just publish these hardware lists, how to kind of like how to do a porch how to build a chicken parmesan. And these people will leave me alone. Why publish it and it was kind of a hit the time I got 1000, 2000, 3000 shares and at that point that was kind of a big deal. And then people were calling me going this is really great. And I’d also coined the term Go Baby Go and had a logo that I put on the Facebook because it said insert logo and I thought oh shit, we got to go do logo so we do logo. It’s the same logo that we use now. Long story short, people started calling me from all over the world now how can we be a chapter of Go baby go how can we do this for kids in our community? I’m like turning to my very small scientific staff. No one’s doing service for justice or outreach work. And I’m like, oh, man, we’ve got what’s a chapter. And Julie Sinclair from New Zealand. A big deal organizer in New Zealand called and said, we’d like to come do a site visit with you and, and beg you to allow us to be a chapter we want to start a country wide nonprofit that partners with BMW and gets every kid in New Zealand a car. Wow. And I was like, great. You’re a chapter. I don’t know what that means. And she said, Well, of course, as the as the hub, you’re going to want to do a site visit over to us so we’ll fly out to New Zealand, right? Because that’s what your policy probably has been. I’m like, Sure, yes, we Yes, yes. I should be going to New Zealand multiple times a year in fact.
So again, my my, my future is staring right at me. And I’m basically going whatever. Really long story short, about 15,000 cars later. 250 chapters later. We are not a for profit company. We’re not a nonprofit company. We’re not a B Corp. What are we? And the community gets what we are, we’re just a bunch of ragtag humans that, that, that believe in our hearts that mobility is a human right. And we try to act like it. And Fisher Price along the way called us and we went I went okay, cease and desist I know. And they went no, we love everything you’re doing. Here, a college at Fisher prices, we’d like to consult with you so that more of our technology can be broadly used by kids of all abilities. That still continues today, Mattel and Fisher Price. So I want people to go away, if they go away and go, this is a really cool thing. I’ve really failed that they go, You know what we could do if this guy can do it. I don’t I’m not handy. I’m not an engineer. I can’t build don’t have any build anything. So I’m the litmus test. So our chapters are third graders in El Paso, Texas, and Canada, all the way through New Zealand, which has still has that nonprofit and the BMW, and we’ve built with Indianapolis 500. We’ve built with a lot of fortune 500 companies that want to give back to the community and have fun and anybody dumb enough to come to one of our builds. And why I say our build, I’m not building every day, the hundreds of 1000s of volunteers, we’re a wider building. So you’re talking kind of to a very loose lug nut of the hub, so to speak. But this is a distributed model. And it’s so weird. Thank you that that a bunch of business, folks. Now, most of my speaking engagements outside of science, because I’m still a scientist are to corporations about how to spread a message on $1. Because we are a worldwide we’re in textbooks, we have about 50 or 60 publications. And we’re an alternative to what really is a cartel of durable medical equipment. And if you really want to get into talking about the man, let’s talk about the industry and manufacturing of power manual wheelchairs. But so that’s what go with ego does every day is about 250 chapters, people are always like, well, how many chapters do you have? And this is the best answer. I love it. I have no idea. How can that be? Well, it’s gotten biblical because chapters beget chapters beget chapters. We got calls from Mexico City several years ago for some moms. And they said, Thank you so much for everything you do. We have two chapters in Mexico City. And I was like, number one, I’d have anything to do with that. Number two, I didn’t know we had it. My goodness. There are chapters in Beijing and Shanghai because some occupational therapy students from the US went over there and started some chapters, they contact me and go, is it I hope it’s okay. From the philosophy and your TED Talk and everything we see. We did the right thing by not stopping to contact you and like Hell yeah, you did. This is not mine. This this is the world and so it’s a collective. It’s kind of like the civil rights movement, if I should be so bold, some of our strategies and our strategic thinking are behind behind this is very justice oriented and protest and, and, and the Civil Rights Movement is a big deal to me. Whereas they didn’t have a logo. They didn’t they Martin Luther King was their frontman, but he was by no means the power, the power was in the local organizers. So it it makes for a really robust Oregon organization. When I can’t even tell you who is in Gobi be going exactly what they’re doing. And people ask me all the time, well, how how in the world corporate folks go how Do you manufacture a culture and keep everybody on the same page as I never did go, maybe go the workshops and what we do sell filters, we don’t have knuckleheads, I know of one knucklehead. And in probably 250, 300 of these sort of mini lieutenants, and the only knuckleheaded thing they do, it’s a clinic, not in the US, they, they rent some of their, their cars out to people. That’s the extent that’s the dirtiest secret, I can tell them go reveal everything else. Everywhere else, it’s free to families, by the way, always free to families, no kid, there’s no requirement for a kid to be anything to get in the car. If you’re on a ventilator, we build a car for you. Sometimes these are custom, sometimes these are really, really light modifications. But this whole thing is because we deeply feel that human rights include safety, and education, and health care. And part of that is mobility, and water and food and someone who loves you. And it’s all about fun. But right under the hood is an aggressive set of justice folks that are dead serious about fun and play. So that gives you a little bit of our philosophy. And it really comes down to mobility to human right. So let’s act like that.
HR:
Very well said. And he gave us a great, great overview of the of the whole works and how it started and how it went through. Now if I’m a parent out here, and I want to start a local Go Baby Go program, how do I do it?
CG:
The easiest way, and this will make a lot of sense and give you another snapshot of our action orientation. My job in my work for the most part with Go Baby Go again, I spend most of my time researching the impact of mobility on cognition, language socialization for kids and adults with brain injuries and other things. But they’re going to the easiest way is to go online, and search Go Baby Go in their city, state or county, if they if they had any trouble whatsoever, they’re to contact me, that’s the easiest place they can contact me and at the email and and and call me on the phone. They call me on cell phone or text. And the way it would work is they contact me I’ll double check that they don’t have a chapter near them. Although I don’t know all the chapters, you can very easily have a chapter in your stem high school, or in your first robotics area. If you have a local community college, and if you don’t have a chapter, let’s partner with the community colleges and universities, sometimes University engineers are really tough to partner with but boy community colleges and vocational high schools like SkillsUSA, and first robotics clubs, they need problems. And, frankly, although FIRST Robotics is a really amazing organization, we need to move a step further and have kids building not just robots to fight other robots. But you may know about FIRST Robotics these are these are clubs where kids get into robotics and get into building things. And then they get into school buses, and they drive to World Championships where their robot fights other robots. Well, the trouble is they go right by nursing homes, and hospitals and schools with people that desperately could use that brainpower four wheeled device, or for communication device, or for that toileting device. And all that brainpower leaves town on the way to have a cool trophy. Well, how about your trophy is helping an 82 year old, get around her house, so she doesn’t lose it? You know, there’s the real challenges. So we bring those challenges if there’s not a chapter nearby, we look we help them get partners. And this is for the long haul. So they and that’s the way it usually is, as a parent will build a car for a kid. These are all open source, go maybe go connects you in an ECT is an online forum of hardware lists and an instruction. And again, this is not for an engineer to build. This is for you and I and I barely know how to plug in a battery. So so these are these are. And by the way, when you partner with Toyota, by the way that we do, they make our cartoon coloring penciled out instructions in the big girl level. And so increasingly, we have really high professional grade instructions. So it feels like a Christmas Eve morning or afternoon where a dad or a mom is building a bike for a kid the next day for Santa.
HR:
Tell us about the studies and your observations on mobility, cognition, and brain wiring.
CG:
Yeah, yeah, it’s not rocket science. It’s exactly what any grandma, grandpa, anybody loves kids, any coach. Coaches are great, right? For example, I know you’ve been a big athlete all your all your life. coaches and athletes understand this probably as well as any neuroscientists, in terms of, well, let’s take a step back, there’s very strong theory called embodied cognition, fancy term for that most things we learn in our lives, we learned through physically interacting with the world. And especially in the first three to five years of life, most of the big things, now you can’t learn Spanish necessarily just physically interacting with the world. And I can plop you down in Madrid and come back in two years, and you’ll speak Spanish, or I can send you three times a week for an hour to a class. And after two years, you won’t be able to speak Spanish, like almost every high schooler, like I took French I don’t speak French. If I lived in the enriched environments, the key is getting social animals like ourselves into the mundane magic of the actual world. Just the sex, drugs and rock and roll of average life, and that takes mobility. And when you do that with experimental animals, or humans, you see revolutionary changes in the brain. In fact, this idea of enriched environment and embodied cognition are some of the most grounded principles and all in neuroscience, meaning when you take a social animal and deprive them, of other animal Oh, they’re social animals, and an enriched object environment, they basically for humans, it’d be day to day work day they play social friends, all the drama of living in a, in a crazy world, your brain begins to lose function, and that’s a neurotypical brain, when you put that same social animal in a and match it to an environment that meets it where it is. Not all animals can be plugged into an enriched environment. Sometimes after, after an experimental injury, you have to put an animal or a human in a smaller environment, a simpler environment. That’s what rehabilitation is, whether you’re an addict, whether you are on the spectrum, whether you have a brain injury, meeting you where you are, neural li behaviorally, friendship wise, mental health wise, and then helping you expand out into the world is such an active area of study, and scientists do not study small effects. So I study huge effects.
HR:
So if somebody you have to somewhat neurodivergent individuals and but that are similar and similar potential, and when they turn, I’m just making this up 17. One learns how to drive a car, and the other one does not their brains develop differently?
CG:
Everything equal, travel broadens the mind. Okay, right. And again, neuroscientists are starting to ask questions that are more and more grounded in everyday life. And for example, there’s a rat model of rats driving cars. And lo and behold, when rats drive cars, your brain has to start planning, it has a purpose. And so driving car isn’t magic, what’s magic is having a task where you have to think and plan. And again, you plop a five year old down behind a car, you’re gonna have an issue. Most times plopping a 17 year old down behind a car, you have less issues, so you need to match that. And that’s what rehabilitation in the medical model have to realize is we have to be able to match people where they are. And, and the dirty secret is that we need more neurodiversity in professionals, meaning folks like AI and science, medical physicians, therapists, nurses, we need to take a page out of the addiction manual, which is No self respecting attic goes to anyone that hasn’t been an addict. You’re just like, you’re just not going to do No, no boxer is going to listen to anyone that has never been in the ring. You can you can proselytize all you want to and people will shake their head, but they’re not going to go on to change their life or anybody without lived experience. Well, where’s the lived experience for for all the different types of quote unquote patients and by the way, one time a patient doesn’t mean you’re a patient forever. Patient means your inpatient hospital. When you get out in the community, we need to drop this patient label and replace it with what’s called human label and treat people like they are humans and and that’s that’s very simple and everybody gets it. But I’m sure as you know, when you get into the medical model and the school systems and some of our institutions, because they don’t have enough people in positions of power, that are neurodiverse, you get people that care and are doing the best they can lovely people, but they’re way off the mark.
HR:
And they’re not self advocates like we’re trying to develop and all our 18 plus year old interns here at different brains, with all their different labels, and they ADHD and Asperger’s and tuberous sclerosis, and you name it. Self Advocacy, as you’re talking about is the absolute key. Yeah, what do you find and what you’re trying to accomplish in your unique life, that is your biggest limiting factor?
CG:
There’s a couple of them, the first thing that comes to mind is expert culture of neurotypical people, people that don’t have the lived experience of the disability community, being put in positions of power, and being able to hide behind the facade of caring. Anybody that’s not a caregiver, or supports a caregiver, or is in the disability community themselves, is not going to really understand how broken that system really is, anybody that’s participating in and relies on that system understand, it’s deeply broken. The big brokenness I see is, if you’re working with people in power chairs, the people that are making decisions about people in power chairs don’t come from a power chair, they come from a bureaucrat, or a physician, or a principal or a teacher that’s doing the best they can. But it’s as if and sport that I became an expert in the jab, having never taken a hit. And having never smelled a gym, it, no one would allow that you and I, the way we look could never run a center for black study. That is no longer allowed. Because we have right we couldn’t do that in the medical model, somebody that has no experience in cancer outside of, of book learning and internships, which is great. These are carrying people. This is not about individuals. This is about a culture that allows someone that looks like you and I to not only have power, but to influence people’s lives and policies. So that’s the biggest. So if I had one magic wand, it would be that instead of talking to me about Go Baby Go, you would be talking to all the people, all the kids that ride cars and have to deal with all that. So but we’re you know, we’re kind of forced, because they don’t have the ability to communicate like they’d like to, to be advocates and allies. And that is, I love the University system where I can become an ally by going to training. So other neurotypical people can teach me how to be an ally, for the disability community, and I can get a sticker. On the bottom of my email, it says, I’m an ally, versus the disability community, bestowing that only the person that only the community that you’re trying to represent, can bestow you. The people that have neurodiversity have to bestow you with that ally ship advocacy. And it’s a, it’s a large burden, because you’re now speaking for other people. And in the medical model, that is I teach a lot of medical students and physical therapy students specifically, specifically. And by the time they get to me as first year medical students, they’ve already worked so hard on becoming an expert, but they’ve never spent an evening with a person with Parkinson’s. They’ve never spent a weekend with a mom of a chemist, CPE or autism. And when you get them into those situations, they’re good people they want to care. It can be a flip, they can come back and they go, Oh, I don’t need to be an expert. I need to be an accomplice a co conspirator with them. I need to stand behind the community and do what they tell me. And I’m like, Yeah, do you know what that’s called? That’s called a community organizer. And you can have been trained and community organizing their principles, so that every one of your actions doesn’t support the infrastructure. Here’s the other problem, good, meaning people doing the best they can and not realizing they’re actually supporting the infrastructure of inequity, versus being trained to understand that the insurance and medical systems, a lot of the educational systems are not built by them for them. And so watch your actions. Watch your actions, because well intention. I mean, I think there is even a saying about road to Hill. And there’s, that’s a reason because, and a lot of times the people that I hang out with in this building community or adults will tell me, would you please tell people to stop caring for me? It’s killing me. Stop caring for me. Be a co conspirator with me collaborate with me, do what I tell you to do.
HR:
People don’t want to hear thoughts and prayers. That’s enough. You know?
CG:
So when I talked to young scientists, engineers, and therapists and medical model folks, and they asked me, What’s the solution, these big old problems, it’s like, have friends in the disability community, not focus groups, not one off pity friendships, where you as a therapy student or medical intern, go and spend a little bit of time with a kid with autism, befriend people that are at diversity, not only for what they can teach you, but guess what? He’s centric. People that see the world in a different way, it what Google and Tiktok are looking for what modern corporations are looking for. Value these people, I love hanging out with people with different ideas, whether you’re an actor and an artist, or whether you’re neurodiverse it’s more fun, you are more fun to me to hang out when you see the world differently. And I mean, literally perceiving as you know, perceiving the world differently, that that’s my jam.
HR:
You’d fit right in here are different brands. And we’re all different. Let me ask you this. What are the some of the diagnoses that you might deal with when you Go Baby Go?
CG:
Yeah, everything from the typical ones that when people think kids, they think cerebral palsy, and they think walking issues, cerebral palsy, Down syndrome, spina bifida, spinal cord injury, neonatal stroke, anything that slows a child down from what we call effective mobility. That was coined in the 80s. That’s a really good word, because it gets away from walking as being the only way to get around. It is certainly the easiest way to get around a lot in a lot of environments, because environments haven’t met people where they are. But one nice thing is, like I said before, there’s no gatekeeping meaning when families come and talk to me, it’s some of the it’s the some of the saddest, most shameful feelings I get, or when families I had a family that was out of the country that zoomed with me. And the first thing they thought they sent to me was “Dr. Professor Cole Galloway, please, please, please, please, please let us have a car for our kid, please. Let me show you pictures. Let me let me talk about how great he is.” And let’s talk about that. He’s a kid, he’s in, you’re in. And what they were, what they were showing me was this. This thing that a lot of caregivers realize and people with lived experience is a lot of times the systems to get care, you have to be out, you have to jump through a hoop or you have to be a certain something or you have to be ready. You know, a baby has to have these kind of prerequisites to be ready for this. Know, when people well, why do we lay Why Does insurance delay giving a child a wheeled mobility until five or seven years old? So for five to seven years, way, hundreds of 1000s of kids in the US are not moving around? Why? Well, it’s because they don’t have the ability to listen and follow instructions. Well, think about your own life. Would you be walking now if you were not allowed to walk into as a kid until you follow the instructions? And we’re respectful kid, you probably wouldn’t eat? What do you do cage people? So this idea of how we’re not going to treat neurodiverse people any different than we’re going to typically to neurotypical people, well, okay, then don’t, don’t just don’t don’t don’t have prerequisites in kids. There are most oppressed population, because not only do they have all the other stuff of special needs populations, but the culture allows you to do things to kids, and disempower kid, one of the best ways for a kid to vote against what’s going on right now is to vote with their mobility. And that’s the way we talk about the flip side of all this, my, my heart soars when parents have a kid in the car or in a wheelchair, or learning to walk, and that kid comes to them. That’s great. When that kid turns around and leaves goes away. That’s what activates the adult world. That’s that’s one way and I’ve had parents, many parents call me and go, Yeah, thanks. You’ve created a monster. Yeah, I can’t find I can’t find the cat. There’s a banana in the in the DVD player. My wife and I haven’t been in bed together for I don’t know how long is the dude wants his car 24/7 And they say, you know. We had to tell him a couple of days ago that we don’t act like that young man and come back here. and coal, he’s never had a place to go. That was the first time I ever said that. And they say you create a monster, don’t you ever stop. And so my I still haven’t had it but my, my Mecca, my gold standard is to is when people talk about the kids that we see a lot, I need a kid to run away from school, I need a kid to run away and join a circus. I need them to use their mobility. Because when they do that, if you can’t move, people move for you. And this isn’t just in baby world is anytime you lack mobility, people start to move for you. And then they start to think for you. And they start to talk over you and and the neurotypical world will defer them to the people that are moving. What do rat moms do when we limit the rat babies mobility in the first month of life, they eat them? The mobility is a big deal.
HR:
Is there anything else you’d like to cover today that we haven’t covered Cole?
CG:
One of the things I would like to call the attention of the listeners and viewers is Go Baby Go suffers from not having enough people in the disability community in positions of power here too. So I get a lot of calls from families and interested middle school, high school, college age kids that are neurotypical wanting to help build cars. What I don’t get enough is young people from the disability community. People that have low vision, people that are neurodiverse with a spectrum, people that you that people that you would have a contact, we need builders and leaders from that community.
HR:
So glad you brought that up. I was very honored to recently having give a commencement address at Beacon College, which is solely for autistic individuals. And they’re all smarter than me are all great. And what I’m going to do is introduce you to the very nice people over at Beacon College. And that’ll be on I’m also going to introduce you to Rick Rader and Steve Perlman from the AADMD, the American Academy of disabled, you know, dentists and doctors do so much. And other people I can think of who like yourself, are champions. And one of the things we try to do here at different brains is because we’re, we got all the differences under one roof is trying to network everybody, because everybody is so passionate, and they’re in their own silo, in their own space, and you’re in that mobility space. And this one’s in the vision space. And this one’s in the education and this one’s in the employment. And it’s all of the above, we got to do all of the above and you’re doing such great things.
CG:
I know you see the commonalities. And and when we get together, it’s it starts to get a tingle of awesomeness, it starts to the power differential starts to crack. And so please pencil me in to anything you guys have, if you see ways that I can support you all, especially because on a scientific level alone, the lowest level scientific kind of cognition, language, socialization, mobility, they all go together, they all feed each other. And yeah, so please, I won’t worry if you’ll pencil me into anything you need.
HR:
Okay. You’re on. Where can people learn more about you and what you’re doing?
CG:
The best way is to Google Go Baby Go. And that will get just a plethora, look at the images if you want. And you’ll just see just just the sweetest kids you ever saw. And then look at look in your own backyard, your city, town, county and state and you can look you can look me up at the University of Delaware. Email me directly. You see us on Facebook, DM me directly.
HR:
What is your email address?
CG:
It’s jacgallo@udel.edu.
HR:
The University of Delaware.
CG:
Yep. James Galloway is my formal name. I go back cold it’s a middle name. And then if people want to text me directly, it’s 443-553-1619. And, and the distance between someone calling me and going I really love this. I’m a high school teacher to building the first car can be something like four weeks, three weeks, two weeks, maybe more Maybe even shorter. And that’s number wise, we have somewhere between 500 and a million and a half kids in the US that need to have adaptive play. So yeah, that’s good to go.
HR:
what is one final piece of advice you would give to parents out there? Who wants to be as supportive as possible of their child with mobility issues? One final piece of advice.
CG:
Play with your kid, have it have as much fun as you possibly can. With whatever style of play if you’re into boxing box with them, if you like surfing surfing with them. You are by far the biggest influence on their brains and bodies and future. And if you’re not having fun with them, stop what you’re doing. And they need they need that they need your love and your play. And and laughter Oh boy, just enjoy that knucklehead.
HR:
Great advice. Great advice. Cole Galloway, professor of physical therapy University of Delaware. Go Baby Go doing all these great things and mobility for all of these kids. Thank you so much for being here. And we hope that you’ll be back to join us again soon. Keep up your great work with Go Baby Go.
CG:
Thank you. Thanks. See you soon.
